The OTA Thread Episode VII

[cosyfiep]

entitlement. think we need to get rid of that word from the english language.

(hubby's sisters kids are 10, 8 and 2/3?....I still dont see the cute or adorable, and they are all girls who for some strange reason are awed by me! they have even grown their hair long to be like me, I really dont get it)

today's kids tell their parents what to do, and get whatever they want to eat---guess since my parents grew up during the depression (when their was barely any food), that they treated us differently--they food you have is good food and you WILL eat it (and then tell us about how they didnt have any when they were kids), dinner and guilt on the side, not the way I would suggest doing it, but we did learn to eat everything on our plates and not complain (much) about it, even though we didnt like a good deal of it. Kids today eat mostly junk food (and parents wonder why their kid is doing poorly in school, is obese, has add, ahdd?, autism, etc....well look at their diet, and the diet YOU had when you were having them!, if its mostly junk food you have your answer).


well I think its friday again. we are having left over chinese food for dinner, seems that whenever we have chinese we always have leftovers (but fried rice tastes better the 2nd day anyways!!)

[azzer20]

Entitlement is the worst crap ever to happen in real life and games as well, when some one say they are entitled for something i want to punch them so hard they get a spleen removal

[cosyfiep]

lol azzer...if I were male I would probably have the same reaction (good for my estrogen! and its side effects )

nice to see you again too!

[azzer20]

Thanks, you too, i am reading but forget to post sometimes, it's all that age on me

Well, entitlement just gets on my nerves, like "trophies" for participating, no kids need to learn to lose/win respectfully to better opponents, nothing makes for a bigger wuss than "you are all equal" humans is not equal in anyway, we're all different and need different ways of learning and such.

[I pwnd U]

It gets on mine as well. Especially when you see it every day. Students think that they are my "peer" and that they should be able to talk to me as such. Nope. Nope nope nope. If you want to talk like that to your parents and they don't care, that is fine, but not to me. Not happening. You can definitely tell the students who have parents that raised them to not be entitled and those that could care less. I get tired of hearing "but I tried, so I should get a 100%!" You tried yes, but you also failed miserably. I have no problem giving you a 50% if you got below that, but I'm not going to hand out free A+'s because you "tried." >.>

[cosyfiep]

just wait until the hit the real world and all the other entitled kids ....all trying out for the same job THEN see what happens. And the 'no child left behind' thing just doesnt work either, how many high school grads are unable to read now with that in place.
There are times I am really happy I never had kids.

[I pwnd U]

It is going to make it hard for them and probably be a big wake up call. Only problem is that by that point it is too late.

NCLB is a great idea, in theory. But theory does not equal practice and it fails in so many categories. I'm supposed to push students who are dead set on dropping out as soon as they get old enough, that are so unmotivated that they don't even show up to school most days. I'm supposed to get them to pass and now you also want to evaluate me on them taking a standardized test? Yet you don't want me to teach to the test? Hmmm, seems like there are some screwy things there... Lots of issues with education due to politicians (non-educators) making decision for educators because they think they know how it works because they went to school. Being on the learning side is wayyyy different from the teaching side. If only we could have them try to teach our classes from day 1... They wouldn't last a week.

(I say from day 1 because if they came in halfway through the year to my room my students would still be good. They know my expectations and know that if I'm not there and they have a sub they are to be on their best behavior. And they are. They know bad things happen if they aren't.)

[azzer20]

I was "lucky" enough to be poor my entire youth so entitlement kinda was nothing i was interested in at all, fighting for something is great, if you then fail, you get up and try even harder, i can't see the problem, my friends kids are like me and my mates, no entitlement, if an adult says no, there's no crying or anything and if they get som candy they happily share it with others.

Man, politicians don't have experience in any field they are supposed to regular (most of the time) and that's a freaking fallacy (did i use that word right?) I don't understand how some one who is NOT an economist can become a politician of economy, it baffles me to no end.


Cosy, children raised right are awesome and great to talk with and such, it's the entitled ones that kinda ruins a lot, Also Pwnd, what age are the kids you study?

[I pwnd U]

That is how it should be. You don't get what you want, you buck up and get over it. You don't sit there and cry and whine until they give in. You get over. And parents, parents need to grow a freaking spine. As soon as the kid breaks down, starts crying, calls them mean, whatever, they immediately give in. Can't have my kids thinking I'm mean! Heaven forbid. >.> Get over it.

I'm with ya on the politicians azzer. These guys have things like law degrees and have no idea how other things actually work. But they sure can pass rule son them. >.>

[cosyfiep]

think you forgot to answer azzers last question (he teaches high school kids).


the problem is that kids who got everything they wanted are now having kids---thus what you are seeing in your classes, pwnd. Kids who were brought up after the 50's and into the 70's--the decade of fast food and tv in every home.
When I was a kid, mom still had to cook every night and we only rarely had something like pizza or hamburgers that she had not made (and I really didnt like the hamburgers--and still dont). Lots of kids (my hubby included) had take-out more than once a week; lots of this happening because of 2 parent working households (or the single parent household) and kids coming home to an empty house. These kids are now have kids, some of them never were told NO! and they are unable to say it to their kids either (they were never parented so they have no clue other than what they saw on tv, and most of 70's tv was either bad dramas or comedies.). So we have parents who have no clue with kids they dont know what to do with--

a recipe for disaster....and what we have today. Kids were brought up with tv as their parent and fast food for dinner most nights. Parents, who either have no time or are too tired when they get home to parent, thus giving in to the whiney snot nosed brats they have.

sigh. Yes I have to agree, politicians have no place telling most others what to do.

[azzer20]

I would say, in my circle of friends and their children/family there really isn't many spoiled people, i guess we know how to say no from the get go

High school kids, that's what, 13-16?

I do however blame telephones more than tv, tv when i was young was still there but we still were out playing a lot more, now you see kids with phones at the age of 4-5 and they can go on the internet and such, technology may have advanced but it hasn't helped much in the sense of children

Also, when i see 18-25 year olds today, the phone is plastered to their hands 24/7, they constantly write, call, snapchat, instagram, tumblr and so on, even at parties like yesterday (my best friend turned 30 <3) and when i look over the table, the young people kept being>

[cosyfiep]

not just 18-25 on the phones....30 somthings too.
in the 70's and 80's and gee most of the 90's there was no phones (ok there was but they were HUGE and didnt do more than actually, like, youknow, make phone calls).

I still dont understand the fascination with being on phones all day and night, after about 3 hours there would be nothing to talk about---ooops soooooooorrry, they dont talk now, they TEXT, still cant quite understand it (or really want to either).


I was spoiled as a kid, I got everything I needed and a few things I wanted, I didnt throw tantrums at supermarkets or restaurants, but I was nothing like the brats that are born now---I had 5 older siblings who would teach me how to behave (or when we got home my mom would do the sermons ----). Compared to the current batch I was an angel! (just tell that to my brothers!) We were not rich either--my dad had a good job and we had a really nice house 4 bedrooms for 8 people (I shared with my 2 sisters one bedroom), but it was big enough. My mom didnt work outside the home (yes 6 kids is plenty of work I would be reminded), and that was the beginning of the age of having 2 working parents, so I was lucky to have one at home full time.

high school is 14-18 (4 years here, grades 9-12)

[I pwnd U]

Woops, ya I did forget too. Totally missed it. And cosy is right, I teach high school so 14-18 year olds.

I see lots and lots of people on their phones all the time. Students are pretty bad about it too, though they are easy to catch. No one looks down and smiles at their crotch. Seriously. Nobody. So that is always a dead give away. The worst though are those that are driving. I always worry when I am stopped and see in my rear-view mirror a car racing up behind me with the person texting. Always feel like they are going to rear end me... It is illegal here to be on your phone unless you have a bluetooth ear piece or bluetooth in the car. People still do it though, because rules are there just to be broken, not to keep us safe.

I was not a spoiled kid. I had to work for everything and then some. Not to say my parents didn't love me and do all they could to help me when I really needed it, but I was never given any extra things. If I wanted a expensive game system or something I had to save my birthday money. I remember buying our N64 way back in the day. My brother and I have our birthdays close together (about 3 weeks apart) so we decided to use our birthday money to get one. That is how it worked for us. If we wanted something we had to save for it. Definitely made me appreciate money more.

[mightaxe53]

I see lots and lots of people on their phones all the time. Students are pretty bad about it too, though they are easy to catch. No one looks down and smiles at their crotch. Seriously. Nobody. So that is always a dead give away. The worst though are those that are driving. I always worry when I am stopped and see in my rear-view mirror a car racing up behind me with the person texting. Always feel like they are going to rear end me... It is illegal here to be on your phone unless you have a bluetooth ear piece or bluetooth in the car. People still do it though, because rules are there just to be broken, not to keep us safe.

Sad, but that's true. iPhones or smartphones in general didn't just become a necessity but rather an obsession. Indeed, it is very handy and useful but too much of something is always bad. In that scene, you are not just endangering your own life but also the life of other drivers around you. It's a very risky, irresponsible and selfish act.

Back after being gone for a few days :3 Went to the beach again this weekend just o formally end summer. lol.

[azzer20]

Why don't you have a policy in the school then about classes, "at each class students have to hand over the phone for the entire session" would make it so much easier, also Pwnd i do actually look at my crotch and smile once in a while

Driving and phones, bluetooth, hands free, whichever, all of them are equally dangerous, this have been proven several times since humans can not multitask (0.5-1% can) so talking on the phone or texting is extremely dangerous.

I guess phone is the new "entertainment" though i wil never understand it at all.

For me it was, 0-16 so poor food was always hard to get, then from 16-21 i had so much money to spend because of work + easy apartment, then i got even more sick at 21 and had to go back to "do i get food today or not".

But yeah my mom did teach us about how not to be a dick about things.

[cosyfiep]

yeah, I know a lot of people who cant walk and chew gum at the same time (my brother-in-law for one, you cant talk to him while he is doing anything or he has to stop the other thing, glad I didnt marry him).

I see really no reason for kids until 16 to even HAVE a cell phone, and then they should have to pass it over when they walk in school and get it back when they leave (saw a report on the news here a bit back, some kid took pics of some exam and put it online for their friends, ultimately the school found out about it--but after the exam was well past, gee they might enforce the phone act at that school soon).

Lots of states (cities and counties) are now putting laws in place for texting and driving. Kids think they are invulnerable so they dont see a problem with doing risky things, sad but true.


beach? ones close enough for me to go to are too polluted or too crowded with folks who should not be showing that much skin! and seeing as I am one of those, I keep my pale skin in the shade and well covered at all times (nothing like a sunburn on milky white skin to get you thinking about the big C).

Didnt have games like they do now when I was young---think the most expensive 'game' I owned was monopoly or something like that (and yes, we all shared those kinds of things). I did get my own stuffed toys though. There was no gameboys, nintendo or the like back then, we actually went outdoors to have fun, or drew with crayons, went over to friends houses and played house etc.
My family had only ONE tv which all 8 of us shared (not that there were many stations back then either), we NEVER had cable (it came out when I was in hs), a vcr, etc. Most expensive electronic we had was my dads camera and a very old stereo system (with 8-track!!!) No phones in the bedrooms--other than my parents (and back then you couldnt move them from room to room, the phone company had to come out to do that and that was very expensive).
Yes I was spoiled (was the youngest so there was more left for me when everyone...left), but we werent rich by any standards. I wore hand-me-downs (its really hard to explain to your friends why you are wearing you oldest BROTHERS clothing when you are a girl! ). Food was always there--not always what kids wanted to eat---but if you complained you would get the depression stories, so you ate what was put in front of you (whether you liked it or not), though my mom did learn to not feed us some things (and the cat really liked tuna and asparagus--she decided that that was a bit too pricey for cat food and we never saw those again).

Life is much different now for most families. I look at the bills I pay each month and remember that a lot of them didnt even exist when I was growing up--cell phone, cable, dsl----much has changed and things like the phone bill was only ONE back then, there was no 'choice' in long distance or local --you paid good ole ma bell for all of it. Companies gave workers pensions and insurance---not the [email protected] we have today.

sigh...long gone

[I pwnd U]

The school used to have a policy that said cellphones were to remain in student lockers and off all day. They magically removed it this past year and then left it up to us to decide rules on cellphones. So I don't allow cellphones, but a different teacher down the hall does. Now I'm the bad guy and it just got harder to enforce my rules because this other teacher lets us use them, so why won't you? I take their phones the first 2 times I catch them. Keep them in my desk until the end of the day then have them come get it when the day is over. After the first 2 times I take it to the office and write it up in the cellphone abuse book in the office. Students will not willingly hand over their cellphones. Because it is theirs and thus they have a right to use it.

I avoid talking on the phone while I'm driving. Very rarely will I answer it, even when I have my bluetooth in. Like you said, it is too distracting.

Our nation has definitely gone towards make money anyway you can. Pay this person for your internet but this person for your cable. Want phone? Pay someone else! Or bundle it all together for a huge sum of money! Because why not? We no longer care about the workers, no all the CEO's care about anymore are themselves. How do I make more money? Not what can I do to make sure my workers are happy and safe? Greed is a terrible thing...

[cosyfiep]

oooh baaad mr pwnd wont let me have my cell phone in class, lol (gee that would like, make them, like have to like, listen to the teacher, and like, we wouldnt actually want them to ya'know learn something in class )

I guess the good thing about not having a cellphone, ipad, or whatever is I cant use them in the car, dr office, on a plane on a train in a boat (I think I am going to kill dr seuss).

yep, companies only care about their bottom line (today, not even next week or next month let alone next year---but thats another story). They dont care that by keeping useless do nothing managers and firing all the workers that no work will get done--just more profit for them today. $$$$
yep sad sad state of events.

think we need to change topics, now I am starting to get really depressed.

how about that rain? anyone need some--we seem to have plenty (only supposed to get like 2" for the whole month, got over 4" and we still have a week left--and yes, rain everyday in the forecast!)

[mightaxe53]

beach? ones close enough for me to go to are too polluted or too crowded with folks who should not be showing that much skin! and seeing as I am one of those, I keep my pale skin in the shade and well covered at all times

What a shame. Our country is surrounded with beaches and resorts. Some of the beautiful ones are just 3-4 hour drive away! A bit expensive though, so only during summer do we go there

Didnt have games like they do now when I was young---think the most expensive 'game' I owned was monopoly or something like that (and yes, we all shared those kinds of things). I did get my own stuffed toys though. There was no gameboys, nintendo or the like back then, we actually went outdoors to have fun, or drew with crayons, went over to friends houses and played house etc.

I'm still a teenager but I actually experienced this! When I was in grade school, everyday after my class I would go outside and play with my friends! We have a lot of outdoor games so it was never boring. Though we moved out of there before I finished grade school and our new place was boring. Kids who played outside were too young for me and I feel awkward with them. So I stayed indoors often, there was PC then, and I got addicted to some games. It was actually a good thing , I didn't have a hard time making friends in HS because of it. Those of us who share the same interest and play the same game(Warcraft III) became best of friends. And even now we're in college, we still get together every December and we still play Warcraft.

The school used to have a policy that said cellphones were to remain in student lockers and off all day. They magically removed it this past year and then left it up to us to decide rules on cellphones. So I don't allow cellphones, but a different teacher down the hall does. Now I'm the bad guy and it just got harder to enforce my rules because this other teacher lets us use them, so why won't you? I take their phones the first 2 times I catch them. Keep them in my desk until the end of the day then have them come get it when the day is over. After the first 2 times I take it to the office and write it up in the cellphone abuse book in the office. Students will not willingly hand over their cellphones. Because it is theirs and thus they have a right to use it.

Well they do have a right to use it, but certainly not in class! Our school allows students to bring phone but, at their own risk. They can confiscate them in class, programs, ceremonies etc. I sort of agree with this 'cause I think cellphones are necessary for certain emergencies. Help our class a lot of times(yes, REAL emergencies). But still, there should always be a line.

[I pwnd U]

During a certain emergencies we actually were instructed by police to take their cellphones. This is to keep them from communicating with people outside/posting on facebook. If you think about an active shooter in a school, they could be getting messages from another student telling them where people are. Or they could be monitoring social media to get their info as well. Also if it just happens to be a drill that the students aren't informed about they could post it on social media and cause a panic among parents and relatives. So yes I agree they have a "right" to use them, but they should only use them at the right times. (I don't take cellphones I see during passing periods if it is in their locker and they are using it, only if they are using it in my classroom).

We got poured on on Sunday. We have pretty much had rain in the forecast every day for the next couple weeks. Don't remember a June with so much rain in the forecast.

I wish I were closer to the beach. But being in the midwest means there really isn't any good beaches close by. Comes with living in the middle of the country.